Monday, May 21, 2012

phillips screw driver revisited

bobby waldmann:



"The Short and Long-Run Phillips Curves: Did Samuelson and Solow claim that the Phillips Curve was a structural relationship showing a permanent tradeoff between inflation and unemployment? James Forder says no.

Paul Krugman, John Quiggin and others (including me) have argued that the one success of the critics of old Keynesian economics is the prediction that high inflation would become persistent and lead to stagflation. The old Keynesian error was to assume that the reduced form Phillips curve was a structural equation -- an economic law not a coincidence.

Quiggin and many others including me have noted that Keynes did not make this old Keynesian error... The old Keynesian error, if it occurred, was made later. I have claimed (in a lecture to surprised students) that it was made by Samuelson and Solow. Was it ?

This is an important question in the history of economic thought, because the alleged error serves as a demonstration of the necessity of basing macroeconomics on microeconomic foundations. For a decade or two (roughly 1980 through roughly 1990 something) it was widely accepted that, to avoid such errors, macroeconomists had to assume that agents have rational expectations even though we don't.

The pattern of a gross error by two economists with impressive track records and an important success based on an approach which has had difficultly forecasting or even dealing with real events ever since made me suspect that the actual claims of Samuelson and Solow have been distorted by their critics. To be frank. this guess is also based on a strong sense that the approach of Friedman and Lucas to rhetoric and debate is more brilliant than fair.

I am very lazy, so I have been planning to Google some for months. I finally did. ... I googled samuelson solow phillips curve

The third hit is the 2010 paper by Forder which discusses Samuelson and Solow (1960) (which I have never read). ... Forder quotes p 189
'What is most interesting is the strong suggestion that the relation, such as it is, has shifted upward slightly but noticeably in the forties and fifties'
So in the paper which allegedly claimed that the Phillips curve is stable, Solow and Samuelson said it had shifted up. Rather sooner than Friedman and Phelps no ?

So how has it become an accepted fact that Samuelson and Solow said the Phillips curve was stable ? This fact is held to be vitally centrally important to the debate about macroeconomic methodology and it is obviously not a fact at all. How can it be that a claim about what was written in one short clear paper is so central to the debate and that no one checks it ?

They did caption a figure with a Phillips curve "a menu of policy choices" but (OK this is a paraphrase not a quote)
After this they emphasized – again – that these 'guesses' related only to the 'next few years', and suggested that a low-demand policy might either improve the tradeoff by affecting expectations, or worsen it by generating greater structural unemployment. Then, considering the even longer run, they suggest that a low-demand policy might improve the efficiency of allocation and thereby speed growth, or, rather more graphically, that the result might be that it 'produced class warfare and social conflict and depress the level of research and technical progress' with the result that the rate of growth would fall.
So, finally after months of procrastinating, I spent a few minutes (at home without access to JStor) checking the claim that is central to the debate on macroeconomic methodology and found a very convincing argument that it is nonsense.

If that were possible, this experience would lower my opinion of macroeconomists (as always Robert Waldmann explicitly included)."
Kevin Donoghue said...
Part of the problem may be that Samuelson and Solow regarded the Chicago school as a bunch of hacks. They don't seem to have understood that if you let the hacks control the debate, their version of history becomes dominant.
There's a lot of this sort of thing in economics.

op said in reply to Kevin Donoghue...
lovely
samuelson and solow in their hay days
suffered
from the arrogance of most
elite sacred truth holders
the plebs never
"get it "
so why bother
thus they leave the pablum/sweet-poison peddling
to the devils brigade
----------------
samuelson in the late 50's went on record
that to him
the systems greatest unsolved problem
" cost push inflation"
read (wage) push inflation

op said in reply to op...
its a wonderous folly how two generations
of macro experts
dined out on this absurd story
of big Paul et al
bought into a static price and wage expectations model

op said in reply to op...
another lesson
guys like are host only listen seriously
to other peers

anne said in reply to op...
Samuelson in the late 50's went on record
that to him
the system's greatest unsolved problem
"cost push inflation"
read (wage) push inflation
[What I have never found is convincing evidence that we have experienced wage push inflation. The evidence never seems to be there when the accusation about a time of inflation is made.]

op said in reply to anne...
anne i agree
not that its impossible just never proved
but if wages chase profits or rofits flee wages in the end we geta self perpetuating spiral
so to cut the gordian knot
i stipulate the cause can be either
in order to get on to the systemic solution
that is also a clear advance in social market dynamics
tradeable mark up warrants ala abba lerner


op said in reply to Kevin Donoghue...
page 193 is the smoking gun
no their modeling didn't use explicit expextations
but both realized dyamic adaptation
and back in the late 50's both would prolly aqgree
anticipation follows from adaptation
full ratex of course suggests learning is fast enough to stay on top of its own experience
this story makes a nice leson in the lag there
from the 50's new inflation phenom
to the late 60's explicit consideration of experience informing expectations informing pricing deisions

op said...
this is a terribly old hat
the S and S boys needed to be sand bagged
adaptive expectaions are as old as phil kagan's paper from the 50's
point of this libel ?
discredit the synthesis club that advocated fiscal activism
and a hot job market
post K rev wage push inflation was first "experienced " here during the post war truman boom
abba lerner ounced on it with a fairly blunt and broad brush
scheme for nominal wage change control thru a mechanism
this went thru 3o plus years of refinement
and came out as MAP
http://books.google.com/books/about/MAP_a_market_anti_inflation_plan.html?id=nlkPAQAAMAAJ
a pamphlet of great merit
today such a set of systems in each euro zone nation could solve the present i8ntrazonal
relative national wage and product price level imbalances in a jiffy

op said in reply to op...
deflation or inflation at the national level could be a matter of democratic choice and executed with certainty
MAP lie systems can raise or lower roduct price levels
debt fisher effects
well index all court enforceable debt
with a two way product price level index

op said in reply to op...
btw
the post office oughta offer
uncle guaranteed
inflation proof depository accounts
with an indexed upper maximum of course
if we are to make the price level a democratic servo mechanism
we need to update hard money for the majority

anne said in reply to op...
post Keynesian rev wage push inflation was first "experienced" here during the post war Truman boom
"What the heck is "rev?" Using such a term as "rev" is quite annoying. Revolution? Anyway, show me how to find the wage push inflation that occurred during the Truman boom.]

op said in reply to anne...
revolution
read earlier comment
at the time it was viewed as supply constrained conversion booming
but indeed healthy looking wage contracts emerged
around the same time and thank god for that

anne said in reply to op...
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
January 15, 2012
Inflation Rate, 1944-1954
(Percent change) *
1944 ( 1.7)
1945 ( 2.3) Truman
1946 ( 8.3)
1947 ( 14.4)
1948 ( 8.1)
1949 (- 1.2)
1950 ( 1.3)
1951 ( 7.9)
1952 ( 1.9)
1953 ( 0.8) Eisenhower
1954 ( 0.7)
* Consumer price index
[Price controls were removed after the World War, so price increases are to be expected, while price increase in 1951 reflect the Korean War increase in demand.]

op said in reply to anne...
the narrative does go like that
read the samuelson link above
and not he got concerned in the late 50's
inflation creep without noticeable employment improvement
that was the oh no moment when paul saw limits
to pure effective demand perpetuated full emplyment
the great kalecki paper
outlined this but only some what
the notion the set point for full employment inflation could get constantly re set
really only bloomed in policy wonks faces in the very late 60's
milty timed his "intervention"
perfectly
but it was clearly in the air
note new phelps independent "formulation"
fiscal fine tuning got foul balled
by the nambo abyss
then came nixon/burns
and all was definitely headed south

anne said in reply to op...
read the Samuelson link above
and note he got concerned in the late 50's
inflation creep without noticeable employment improvement
that was the oh no moment when Paul saw limits
to pure effective demand perpetuated full employment
[Understood, and nice.]

op said in reply to anne...
1946 ( 8.3)
1947 ( 14.4)
1948 ( 8.1)

---------------
1949 (- 1.2)
1950 ( 1.3)
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1951 ( 7.9)

look at those gloriously rambuctious numbers
just what the doctor ordered
then came the martin indy fed
ugh

anne said in reply to op...
discredit the synthesis club that advocated fiscal activism
and a hot job market
post Keynesian revolution wage push inflation was first "experienced " here during the post war Truman boom
Abba Lerner pounced on it with a fairly blunt and broad brush
scheme for nominal wage change control thru a mechanism
[Nice.]

Herman said...
Fascinating post.
One quibble:
"This is an important question in the history of economic thought, because the alleged error serves as a demonstration of the necessity of basing macroeconomics on microeconomic foundations."
No, it does not. And I am surprised that Waldmann makes such a claim.
All the alleged error suggests is that we must get the structural relationships right. How we go about doing that is an open question.

op said in reply to Herman...
waldmann always flies around barn storming recklessly
the notion we must explicitly
model micro foundations
particularly rat ex
with its diabolic/angelic host effects
is completely un connected to the libel on the MIT macro-clique
but
that's why i love him
not that i wouldn't beat him to a pulp
once or twice a month

Robert waldmann said in reply to Herman...
Should have been "error allegedly serves as a demonstratio" or to avoid alllegando "alleged"'s I should have written "is used in the argument that macro models must have micro foundations. This argument based almost entirely on this alleged example has dominated macroeconomivs for the past three decades". Sorry for careless typing.e

John Quiggin said...
My take, from Zombie Economics:
Despite his reputation as an exponent of (literally) “hydraulic" ” Keynesianism, Phillips did not endorse a mechanical interpretation of the curve. He is said to have remarked that “if I had known what they would do with the graph I would never have drawn it.” ” The leading American Keynesian economists of the day, Paul Samuelson and Robert Solow, were less cautious, particularly in their popular writing.
In an influential article, Samuelson and Solow estimated a Phillips curve for the United States, and drew the conclusion that society faced a trade-off between unemployment and inflation. That is, society could choose between lower inflation and higher unemployment or lower unemployment and higher inflation. Although the article qualified this point with reference to possible effects on inflationary expectations, this qualification tended to get lost in discussion of the policy implications of the Phillips curve.
The trade-off between unemployment and inflation was spelt out in successive editions of Samuelson’s textbook, simply entitled Economics, which dominated the market from its initial publication in 1948 until the mid-1970s. Given a menu of choices involving different rates of unemployment and inflation, it seemed obvious enough that, since unemployment was the greater evil, a moderate increase in inflation could be socially beneficial.

op said in reply to John Quiggin...
quig
macro as stablizer is by its mission short run
ask old foxy paul
but paul might this not end up building in ever higher rates of product price inflation ?
my guess
he'd laff and say "no"
the fed will kill that nonsense damn quick
with a policy induced recession
the key here is the sinister notion of fed cred
that after a few pre emptions short of full punch bowl guzzling job markeyts
will actual lead to a lighter touch for success
given maybe 10 cycles you'd see higher avwrage employment over the cycle
smaller waves higher average levels
---------------------
of course this is all nonsense
pure witch doctor mumbo jumbo
the fed has no cred
but it has a procrustean rack
that it has used for 30 years to alter the secular rate of real wage increases
not that the ECB isn't worse

op said in reply to op...
wonder of wonders there is an up side to the zero bound and a give into the liquidity trap
my guess we could run huge deficits and not ...not require any fed accomodation
in fact i'm not sure the fed could stop a determined
fiscal policy propelled recovery of job markets
of course we'd have quite a nice trade deficit
but the world would love that
if the corporate media allowed them to understood
how it all fits together

anne said in reply to op...
the federal reserve has no credibility
but it has a Procrustean rack
that it has used for 30 years to alter the secular rate of real wage increases
[Clever.]

Edward Lambert said...
Neo-classical theories are many times wrong too. For example, the Haifa experiment where tardy parents to a day-care center were made to pay a fee when they arrived late. The control group was not made to pay a fee.
Neo-classical theory (rational expectations, microfoundations view of the world) would state that this extra cost would lower tardiness... but it didn't. The parents actually began to be more tardy. So much so that the parents picking up their kids tardy more than doubled. Then, when the fees were removed, the higher rate of tardiness continued.
It seems very illogical. But the explanation looks to the fact that at the start the parents viewed arriving tardy as a social norm. And that kept them in check. Then, when arriving late became a private cost, they decided it was affordable to arrive late.
Two key notes here...
Social norms have a profound effect on economic activity. Even the fears of living wages implemented in many towns turned out to be unwarranted.
Also, when the fee was deregulated (removed), the increased anti-social behavior of the parents continued. Therefore, unwise regulations leading to deregulation could lead to bigger problems.
So as the neo-classical economists push so heavily for deregulation, are they thinking about how to reinstate healthy social norms?

op said in reply to Edward Lambert...
u of course read this ...no ?
http://www.aeaweb.org/annual_mtg_papers/2007/0106_1640_0101.pdf
the silver minded father of the one two many micros school
we live in today even if the rat ex clingers
among the new keynesian macronauts
still want to ignore this
that and tobins compression of keyes most famous passage
to
"macro policy is all about comparative dynamics "

Edward Lambert said in reply to Edward Lambert...
As far as obtaining healthy social norms in the face of regulation and deregulation, one can look into the work of Samuel Bowles...
http://tuvalu.santafe.edu/~bowles/EconomicIncentives-new.pdf

John Quiggin said...
To spell it out, I think it's a mistake just to look at the 1960 article. Sophisticated economists like S&S were aware of the qualifications, but didn't explore them in detail, or stress them in popular presentations.
The general assumption among Keynesians in the 1960s was that there was a trade-off that could be exploited. That's certainly what filtered down to me as a high school econ student. And, I imagine, policymakers got much the same message.

op said in reply to John Quiggin...
"didn't explore them in detail, or stress them in popular presentations."
why get into something that isn't on the immediate agenda
but read page 193 its all there

again
i doubt paul or bob
thought explicit modeling of expectations changed much in practice
given the low inflation rates
endemic to
US industrial product markets
the hype of the 70's lay ahead
and can we expect paul
to see
that fiscal macro was headed
for a tsunami
in fact even monetary macro
was headed for a one task future
ie nominal wage control
to start pre empting the lucas critique in 1960
suggests not the idiocy of ratex
but prophetic foresight

Mark A. Sadowski said...
Actually there are a number of fallacies concerning the Phillips Curve.
1) The relationship between the rate of unemployment and the rate of inflation was first explored by William Phillips.
Actually Irving Fisher published a paper called "A Statistical Relationship between Price Changes and uneployment" in the International Labor Review in June, 1926.
2) The original Phillips Curve explored the relationship between the rate of unemployment and the rate of inflation.
Actually, the original Phillips curve ("The Relation between Unemployment and the Rate of Change of Money Wage Rates in the United Kingdom, 1861-1957", Economica, November, 1958) explored the relationship between money wage changes and unemployment.
3) Phillips claimed his relationship was stable.
Phillips showed that the relationship was upset by periodic rapid increases in import prices which led to wage price spirals.
4) Friedman claimed others thought the relationship was stable.
In a footnote to his 1968 AEA address (The Role of Monetary Policy, The American Economic Review, March 1968) Friedman states the conditions under which the relationship might be stable (when the average rate of prices, and hence the expected rate of change in prices, is stable). So, even Friedman didn't claim that others thought it was stable.
In fact, as Forder points out, a careful reading of the literature of the time reveals that claims that anyone thought there was a stable exploitable relationship, didn't seem to occur until at least the the mid 1970s, when it was already quite clear that there wasn't one.
In short, the claims concerning stability are all largely a myth.

op said in reply to Mark A. Sadowski...

the fisher bit is delightful
but the key is the whole cloth invention of a straw dog to burn up
in the roaring 70's

the wage inflation relation is really all that matters here
so of course phillips ploted that relation
the implicit relation between wage change
and the unemployment rate
draws the relationship
too close to marx's reserve army theory
of spontaneous means to stablization
in capitalist dominated markets
lerner saw this concealment
saw also the delong summers relationship between
long run capacity growth
and un managed business cycles
and threw a klieg light on it
every chance he got

anne said in reply to op...
Clarify the remarks about Abba Lerner when possible. Context is critical for understand what Lerner was about when.

Timothy Watson said...
Some direct quotes from the original article might be in order:
“the menu of choice between different degrees of unemployment and price stability, as roughly estimated from the last twenty-five years of American data.” (p. 192)
however:
“It would be wrong, though, to think that our… menu that relates obtainable price and unemployment behaviour will maintain its same shape in the longer run. What we do in a policy way during the next few years might cause it to shift in a definite way.” (p. 193)
Samuelson and Solow found that the US experience during the depression and the two world wars was inconsistent with Phillips hypothesis, most strikingly between 1933 and 1941 during the depths of the great depression US money wages either increased or failed to decrease despite exceptionally high levels of unemployment. They also noticed a slight upward shift in the PC in the 1940’s and 1950’s suggesting a lack of stability in the relationship. However the majority of observations demonstrated a relatively consistent pattern, that wages tended to increase when unemployment was low, and the lower the level of unemployment the faster they rose.
As to the contribution of Friedman towards the "expectations augmented" Phillips Curve, Phillips' second paper plotting a relationship between (wage) inflation and unemployment in post-WW2 Australia included lagged wage inflation as an explanatory variable, and therefore was an expectations augmented Phillips curve. Not many economists seem aware of this work, probably because it relates to post-war Australia, and was not published in a major journal.
So Phillips invented the expectations augmented Phillips curve rather than Friedman or Phelps. Friedman and Phelps' innovation was to argue that the coefficient on the inflation expectations variable should always be 1- and that there was no "trade-off" between inflation and unemployment in the long run.
Again, Phillips never claimed the relationship was structural- his 1958 and 1959 papers only pointed out particular periods during which the relationship held with surprising regularity.

op said...
quig deserves a tweak for a quick bomb run over head
and a leaflet book plug
name drop
that reads
my book on this is "....."

where's the days of brad setser blogs
where the local river god answered in comments
i recall delong was always above that
our host used to climb down here when hectored sufficiently
and dean baker used to roll up the sleeves
and are wrestle the unwashed here in the cages
brad though took the cake
even though he wouldn't respond
he would on occasion
" insert"deus ex machina
host thunder bolts
right in an offending comment
jaimie galbraith was always the most generous visiting big foot
and waldmann has an arrogance that taketh not hizzseff seriously he'd roll around in the mud here too
splendid
but alas now
big foot elbow rubbing
is as rare as ...
not assuming the can opener

Robert waldmann said in reply to op...
I herby rub my elbow with my bigfoot (it is very hard to iType on an iPad while rubbing one's elbow with one's foot).
Also total slander. I wear size 8.5 shoes.

Robert waldmann said in reply to Robert waldmann...
Herby is hereby not Hoover.

op said in reply to Robert waldmann...
herby was also a beetle

urban legend said...
Herein can be seen the fundamental flaw in the modern practice of economics. The variability in empirical evidence around any norm for the inflation-employment relationship is huge -- think early 1950s and late 1990s, when low unemployment was matched by low inflation, and its converse, "stagflation" of the 1970s. Yet a curve can be drawn. That curve becomes the reality, not only because that is the simple way to look at it visually, but also because it is incorporated into mathematical models. The latter reason perhaps appeals to all sides of the political-economic profession because no matter what model they use, they all have an interest in protecting the priesthood with incantations ordinary well-educated people cannot understand.
Sure there's a tendency for the level of unemployment to affect wages, but it is far, far from a "law." There are so many other forces at work at any given time. Does anyone seriously think that if we moved towards full employment now -- say with the massive infrastructure investment the country actually needs -- correcting our historically depressed wage structure would degenerate into an out-of-control wage-price spiral? Given the weakness of labor and the length of time that workers have been beaten down into accepting whatever crumbs an employer will drop on the floor, especially when compared to the time of relative labor strength when these theories were being developed, the very notion that a wage-price spiral could emerge in the foreseeable future is a joke. The "NAIRU" is a joke.
"Full employment" should be the battle cry of all progressives, and that means not matching some imaginary (and fictional) "natural rate of employment," but actually continuing to strive for lower unemployment until there are no longer workers who want a full-time job who can't find one quickly.

op said in reply to urban legend...
hyper tight job markets => a wage bubble
perfect !!!
just be sure to add a off setting
trade/forex policy
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disinflationary effects on wage change and product pricing
thru higher sustained UE rates
and/or sustained lower particpation rates
is a means to an end
nominal/real wage control
that this can increase realized profits is the problematic
keynes attempted to throw in the faces
of our legion of corporate profit maximizers
with decidely mixed results ..in the long run

AnotherKeynesian said...

The way to get around the Friedman hypothesis is that the government should 'err' on the side of employment - given that there is uncertainty in the macro variables. When the government is wrong, then you get more inflation. So, in that limited sense, there is indeed a 'trade-off' between inflation and employment.

Barkley Rosser said...
Sadowski's observation about Irving Fisher has a delicious irony, given his "invention" of the quantity theory of money, making him Friedman's ultimate divinity, sort of.
What is more striking is how seriously everybody took the whole Friedman-Phelps formulation of a long-run vertical Phillips curve, given that we have never seen such a thing empirically anywhere ever. What supposedly swayed the argument to their view was the stagflation of the 1970s, but that was clearly a rightward shift of the old PC due to supply-side, cost-push shocks, which PAS readily discussed in the editions of his Economics during the 1970s. The old cost pushers always recognized that higher expectations of inflation could induce wage-price spirals that would show up in such a shift.
Of course the other bogeyman was NAIRU, actually the invention of Okun, supposedly a Keynesian. There was never any reason given by Friedman or Phelps to believe that there should be a NAIRU, or that even if there was it should equal the supposedly "natural rate of unemployment" supposedly located where that vertical PC was. And at least Phelps always recognized endogeity of the natural rate to the rate of unemployment itself as the hysteresis crowd argued.

op said in reply to Barkley Rosser...
bark e bark
you avoid the obvious mission
discredit the efficacy of fiscal action
our science is built on deeply held
faux teleological precepts
that are really just class interests
so long as macro nautics can be restricted to channels with valves controled
by corporate interests
then macronautics is in safe hands
read
FED / corporate credit channels
the jolly roger option:
state induced household usury waves
nothing like the fun of smart bombing
the credit constrained
its the free market way to guide
basic human welfare thru the profit narrows